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Unbelief & Disobedience

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Unbelief & Disobedience

 

A person's eternal destiny is contingent upon their faith in Christ. "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." John 3:18 And given that God is just and as such does not hold people accountable for things they have not control over, faith in Christ is a matter of obedience. It's a matter of cooperation. For "He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus." 2Thess 1:8

 

There's an obedience that comes from faith, and thus faith and obedience go hand ain hand. Paul says, "Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith."Rom 1:5

 

Thus "to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed?  So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief." Heb 3:18,19 Thus to believe a person must be obedient. And the faith that saves is the faith that obeys.

 

When people hear the gospel and don't believe it, it's because they are unwilling to obey God. And "anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar" 1John 5:10b For those who allege to be in the faith, "see to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God." Heb 3:12

 

The Sin Series

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Matthew A.Duvall
7 hours ago, bcbsr said:

 

Unbelief & Disobedience

 

A person's eternal destiny is contingent upon their faith in Christ. "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." John 3:18 And given that God is just and as such does not hold people accountable for things they have not control over, faith in Christ is a matter of obedience. It's a matter of cooperation. For "He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus." 2Thess 1:8

 

There's an obedience that comes from faith, and thus faith and obedience go hand ain hand. Paul says, "Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith."Rom 1:5

 

Thus "to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed?  So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief." Heb 3:18,19 Thus to believe a person must be obedient. And the faith that saves is the faith that obeys.

 

When people hear the gospel and don't believe it, it's because they are unwilling to obey God. And "anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar" 1John 5:10b For those who allege to be in the faith, "see to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God." Heb 3:12

 

The Sin Series

A person's eternal destiny is contingent upon the pre-determined will of God. Faith plays one of the most important rolls in justification . But if that faith is compromised  by human co-operation it is unfit to offer to God as a pathway to justification . We are told ; "By grace you have been saved through faith ,and that , not of yourselves ,it is the gift of God not of works, lest anyone should boast." Eph.2:8 ff. Any attempt at gaining the necessary faith that leads to justification is nothing more than works orientated and cannot sufficiently satisfy Divine Justice. We must have Saving Faith .And that only from God at the appointed time in His plan for your life .

 

Faith is subjective to belief . Then we can claim the rightful obedience that follows . But to follow through with works that do not meet God's approval is being submissive to dead works and amounts to nothing.

 

No one can enter into God's rest without actually being one of His true people . But there are those who have actually experienced salvation ,yet because of the hardness of their hearts have fallen away into sin . This is not saying that they cannot be reconciled back to God . One thing the unbelieving cannot do .

 

Many people hear the gospel message and turn away because they have the unredeemed sin nature that is controlling  them and cannot repent because there is nothing in them that would cause them to repent. "All have sinned and fell short of the glory of God and etc,, "   Rom.8:23         MD

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38 minutes ago, Matthew A.Duvall said:

A person's eternal destiny is contingent upon the pre-determined will of God. Faith plays one of the most important rolls in justification . But if that faith is compromised  by human co-operation it is unfit to offer to God as a pathway to justification . We are told ; "By grace you have been saved through faith ,and that , not of yourselves ,it is the gift of God not of works, lest anyone should boast." Eph.2:8 ff. Any attempt at gaining the necessary faith that leads to justification is nothing more than works orientated and cannot sufficiently satisfy Divine Justice. We must have Saving Faith .And that only from God at the appointed time in His plan for your life .

 

Faith is subjective to belief . Then we can claim the rightful obedience that follows . But to follow through with works that do not meet God's approval is being submissive to dead works and amounts to nothing.

 

No one can enter into God's rest without actually being one of His true people . But there are those who have actually experienced salvation ,yet because of the hardness of their hearts have fallen away into sin . This is not saying that they cannot be reconciled back to God . One thing the unbelieving cannot do .

 

Many people hear the gospel message and turn away because they have the unredeemed sin nature that is controlling  them and cannot repent because there is nothing in them that would cause them to repent. "All have sinned and fell short of the glory of God and etc,, "   Rom.8:23         MD

And yet in response to the question of the Philippian jailer "Why must I do to be saved?" The apostle answers "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved", indicating that there is some a person can himself do to be saved. "Believe" is in the imperative. It's a command. A command is a demand for compliance on the individual's part.

 

This as opposed to "There's nothing you can do to be saved. But if you happen to believe in the Lord Jesus, as God forced you to in puppet like fashion, then you will be saved."

 

It just doesn't match the rhetoric the Bible uses when then gospel is preached. 

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26 minutes ago, bcbsr said:

"Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved", indicating that there is some a person can himself do to be saved.

 Those who believe are the ones that the Father initiated to draw unto Jesus (John 6:44).

 

 Wasn't this same thread started a few weeks ago?

https://www.christforums.com/forums/topic/27479-unbelief-disobedience/?tab=comments#comment-97362

 

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On 10/16/2019 at 6:34 PM, bcbsr said:

And yet in response to the question of the Philippian jailer "Why must I do to be saved?" The apostle answers "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved", indicating that there is some a person can himself do to be saved. "Believe" is in the imperative. It's a command. A command is a demand for compliance on the individual's part.

 

This as opposed to "There's nothing you can do to be saved. But if you happen to believe in the Lord Jesus, as God forced you to in puppet like fashion, then you will be saved."

 

It just doesn't match the rhetoric the Bible uses when then gospel is preached. 

Your conclusion is symptomatic of one that rejects systematic theology. And it also leans towards Pelagianism. 

 

The response to the Philippian jailer is the universal outward calling which goes out to all mankind to be saved. A denial of which holds everyone accountable and responsible. 

 

As far as the robot argument I see that as a pre-programmed response of someone not yet transformed in mind by the word of God.

 

Acts 13:48

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On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 7:34 PM, bcbsr said:

And yet in response to the question of the Philippian jailer "Why must I do to be saved?" The apostle answers "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved", indicating that there is some a person can himself do to be saved. "Believe" is in the imperative. It's a command. A command is a demand for compliance on the individual's part.

 

This as opposed to "There's nothing you can do to be saved. But if you happen to believe in the Lord Jesus, as God forced you to in puppet like fashion, then you will be saved."

 

It just doesn't match the rhetoric the Bible uses when then gospel is preached. 

I want to believe that the Philippian  jailer asked this out of curiosity , not because he actually wanted to be saved . The offer of salvation is given to everyone . But the actual act ,from the effectual drawing by the Holy Spirit ,to confession, faith, belief and the actual indwelling by the Spirit is all in God's divine plan of salvation. If you are giving all credence to the human spirit then you should be prepared to explain the multitude of times in Holy Writ where God is the author and finisher of our faith . When the gospel is preached it doesn't mean that everyone will respond to it . But the gospel message is God's work in justifying His elect and chosen people . As Paul says ;

" How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed ? And how shall they believe In Him of whom they have not heard ? And how shall they hear without a preacher ? And how can they preach unless they have been sent ?  Rom.10:14,15.

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34 minutes ago, Matthew A.Duvall said:

I want to believe that the Philippian  jailer asked this out of curiosity , not because he actually wanted to be saved . The offer of salvation is given to everyone . But the actual act ,from the effectual drawing by the Holy Spirit ,to confession, faith, belief and the actual indwelling by the Spirit is all in God's divine plan of salvation. If you are giving all credence to the human spirit then you should be prepared to explain the multitude of times in Holy Writ where God is the author and finisher of our faith . When the gospel is preached it doesn't mean that everyone will respond to it . But the gospel message is God's work in justifying His elect and chosen people . As Paul says ;

" How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed ? And how shall they believe In Him of whom they have not heard ? And how shall they hear without a preacher ? And how can they preach unless they have been sent ?  Rom.10:14,15.

 

Yes, I think you are on the right track. We can share many things but we cannot determine what of the word is planted seed, and what is testimony. We need to share the hope we have and follow the guide of His Spirit.    🌝

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